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blake harper's avatar

This is interesting, and I was totally unaware of it. I try to stay up on left-liberal discourse, but of course that means I miss a lot of left-illiberal discourse. Not on bluesky, etc. So Geoff if you've got time to share some examples of the discourse around this that'd be really illuminating!

On the substance, hasn't this argument about the Frankfurt school been made before? I see it as a pretty central thesis in e.g. Musa Al-Gharbi's project in We Have Never Been Woke. You can even see it in Rufo's stylized history of America's "Cultural Revolution."

Could the hand-wringing really just be that the illiberal left is reckoning with the following trilemma: either they continue their current anti-anti-imperialist complicity that prioritizes identity politics over class politics; or they go all in on historical materialism; or they abandon the revolutionary critical project and just become incrementalist liberals.

They obviously don't want to grasp the second horn because that'd be too professionally and socially de-stabilizing, nor do they want to compromise their moral convictions and grasp the third. So they'll end up in a position where they need to frantically deny Rockhill's arguments.

Lojban Chauvanist's avatar

"Respect," "defend" – that's just semantics. I'm not dug in to my position here. What standard we ought to apply when evaluating the USSR across its lifespan is a hard question to answer. Comparing it to "true socialism" is impossible because true socialism is global and does not exist (I'm not at all sure it can). Whereas, comparing it to more gentle experiments in social democracy is comparing apples to oranges, because of the obvious differences in underdevelopment, encirclement, exposure to existential threats. As for achievements, those you listed are pretty big, and there's one other worth mentioning, which is that the USSR helped keep socialism and anticolonial struggles alive in the Third World

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